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Offline tylerjnorton

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2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« on: April 3, 2014, 04:25:25 pm »
Does anyone else find it weird that the two teams that FSG own were both expected to be a rebuilding project this past season and both have found themselves in the title race (or in the Red Sox case, having won the title)? What an incredible 12 months for them if they can pull off willing the World Series and the Premiere League. Especially since they are financially not in the elite spending tier in either sport.

Hopefully this one will end the way it did last October for the Red Sox as well.

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #1 on: April 3, 2014, 04:30:17 pm »
Voodoo witchcraft.
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #2 on: April 3, 2014, 04:30:27 pm »
See what you did? You jinxed it right there.

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #3 on: April 3, 2014, 04:31:57 pm »
One of the shareholders in FSG also owns the group that has taken over Roma. Look at how Roma are doing. These american sports investment groups really know what they're doing.

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #4 on: April 3, 2014, 04:33:39 pm »
One of the shareholders in FSG also owns the group that has taken over Roma. Look at how Roma are doing. These american sports investment groups really know what they're doing.
I agree. Why didn't we have american owners sooner, is what we have to ask ourselves.
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #5 on: April 3, 2014, 04:35:01 pm »
First person to mention "money-ball" get a swift kick in the swingers.

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #6 on: April 3, 2014, 04:38:11 pm »
Boston have been in the top four spenders on payroll for each of the last ten years? Often only out spent by the Yankees?

http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #7 on: April 3, 2014, 04:41:14 pm »
I agree. Why didn't we have american owners sooner, is what we have to ask ourselves.
I meant ones from Boston.  ;)

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #8 on: April 3, 2014, 04:43:26 pm »
Boston have been in the top four spenders on payroll for each of the last ten years? Often only out spent by the Yankees?

http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm

Yeah, Boston are definitely 'in the elite spending tier' and of course, we are still 12th in Deloitte's world rich list of clubs.
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #9 on: April 3, 2014, 04:45:51 pm »
Yeah, Boston are definitely 'in the elite spending tier' and of course, we are still 12th in Deloitte's world rich list of clubs.

9th according to this list, to my surprise: http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league/5aa11261e7c5c310VgnVCM3000003456f70aRCRD.htm
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #10 on: April 3, 2014, 04:48:09 pm »
Yeah, Boston are definitely 'in the elite spending tier' and of course, we are still 12th in Deloitte's world rich list of clubs.

Right. They were spending big before NESV (I so preferred that acronym, FSG out!) bought them, just like us, without ever having the success to show for it, just like us.

There must be something they're doing right to stop wasting the money and convert it into actual success.

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #12 on: April 3, 2014, 05:14:56 pm »
They got rid of a couple of gigantic contracts a few years ago when they looked a shoe-in for the playoffs and then collapsed in the final month and eventually not making it. Everyone thought there was going to be a rebuilding job but what happened was similar in some respects to what happened at Liverpool. They hired a manager (John Farrell), who completely turned them around from the season before. Which is essentially what Rodgers has done this season with Liverpool. The hiring of Farrell eventually culminated in a World Series win.

It just proves that FSG are winners. Even if it took them a little time to understand how football worked, they got the right guy and have to take some credit for Liverpool's rise back to the top. They came to a new sport, and it was a learning curve, but at their core they are winners and know what it takes to build a successful team. They surround themselves with the right people, and when things go wrong (which they did at the Red Sox, and think Hodgson) they immediately put them right.
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #13 on: April 3, 2014, 05:29:19 pm »
These Yanks know nothing about soccerball.  ;)
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #14 on: April 3, 2014, 05:49:41 pm »
There is something to this for me, it is that so many owners go in on an emotionally led basis. An outsider with good business analysis skills can look at any number of clubs and see that a lot of ownership decisions are just nuts. When NESV looked at the sale price of the club, even underestimating the worldwide appeal, it was obvious that a better run version would have greater value over a few years. It got better sooner than they expected with the new tv rights money, the monetisation possibilities of the eastern hemisphere and the obvious fact that Brendan has sold his soul to the Devil in exchange for greatness. I bet they could sell the club for £500m this week, though they would not dream of it, as they are seeing unbelievable potential and growth appearing every month. 
We have not won the league, but barring disaster, we have moved up the league, and on the same proviso are in the champions league with all the extra income and rights that adds to our inflow. They are getting better at what they do, and are not being negative about they things they got wrong to start with.
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #15 on: April 3, 2014, 05:53:48 pm »
First person to mention "money-ball" get a swift kick in the swingers.

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #16 on: April 3, 2014, 05:59:27 pm »
Boston have been in the top four spenders on payroll for each of the last ten years? Often only out spent by the Yankees?

http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm

If you look at how they are trending this is no longer the case. I will admit I live in Boston and am closer to this situation. They used to spend more than everyone btu the Yankees but they realized (through mistakes) that putting together a high priced fantasy team does not equate to winning. Since learning that they only have spent big on extending guys who were already on the team and have filled the gaps with average spending players. It used to be high high spending, now it is controlled spending on the right parts.

Similar to the learning curve at LFC really. We are in good hands.

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #17 on: April 3, 2014, 06:03:42 pm »
Semi-relavent article from Bill Barnwell (one of the best American Football analysts doing a crossover piece)

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-rebuilding-of-liverpool/

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #18 on: April 3, 2014, 06:26:53 pm »
I agree. Why didn't we have american owners sooner, is what we have to ask ourselves.

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #19 on: April 3, 2014, 06:28:43 pm »
They're serious about winning and they have a methodology that has worked incredibly well in another sport. Which is a blessing, considering how many owners you can question their true commitment to winning.
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #20 on: April 3, 2014, 10:16:57 pm »
That Grantland article was a good read.

Couldn't help but take a look at the link to the Guardian writers' pre-season predictions however and, good God, that Louise Taylor had a bit of a nightmare!

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LT - Hatem Ben Arfa. Providing he stays fit, Ben Arfa belongs on a different planet to most mortals. Capable of eclipsing Rooney, Bale and even Suárez.

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LT - Paulinho. A sort of Brazilian Frank Lampard, his ability to score freely from midfield promises to transform Spurs.

MANAGER TO WATCH

LT - Paolo Di Canio. The self-styled "revolutionary" is clever enough to confound his many critics and lead a reborn Sunderland into the top 10


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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #21 on: April 3, 2014, 10:19:11 pm »
Them yanks aren't so bad then, at least the Boston ones

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #22 on: April 3, 2014, 10:52:43 pm »
That Grantland article was a good read.

Couldn't help but take a look at the link to the Guardian writers' pre-season predictions however and, good God, that Louise Taylor had a bit of a nightmare!



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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #23 on: April 3, 2014, 11:03:10 pm »
That Grantland article was a good read.

Couldn't help but take a look at the link to the Guardian writers' pre-season predictions however and, good God, that Louise Taylor had a bit of a nightmare!



Lol I just read the whole article, and she did tip Coutinho for young player to watch.

Kinda silly of you to leave that out. This is an internet forum so I cba starting a fight, but if a journalist had done that, everyone would be up in arms...

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #24 on: April 3, 2014, 11:12:19 pm »
I agree. Why didn't we have american owners sooner, is what we have to ask ourselves.

Why doesn't America just take over the whole UK for that matter. Imagine the Kop singing this:

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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #25 on: April 4, 2014, 04:01:04 am »
 I’ve never paid much attention to English football. I never had much reason to do so and footie is rather disconnecting when you can’t see the matches.
However, I started following Liverpool when the club was purchased by the Fenway Sports Group and, fortunately, EPL matches have started to be carried on American TV.
FSG owns the Boston Red Sox whose period of greatness was before 1920. They were seldom terrible, but never reached the top until 2004 a year or two after John Henry, head of FSG, bought them. Now they’ve won 3 “World’s Series” in the 21st Century, more than any other team.
John Henry is a great owner. This is remarkable because he’s a geek who made his fortune by speculating on soy bean futures which is essentially statistical analysis of “which way will the bean price jump”. He grew up on his father’s bean farm and was had the intelligence to know when to buy and when to sell.
  JH drove Gillett and Hicks into the darkness. When he bought Liverpool there were many Americans who thought he was getting in over his head. He probably was. The finances and rules regulating American teams are much more readily comprehensible than those of European football. However, JH is a very smart guy. More important than that is that he is honest, straightforward and has a strong desire to win. He is also not in it primarily for fame or money. He’s in the game to prove that he can win and to increase the value of his investment. To his credit, he does that largely by building an organization and letting the organization function on its own. He seldom interferes with the people he has put in place, and only gets involved in the big decisions. A man who can make a billion on guessing what beans will do is a man to be reckoned with.
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #26 on: April 4, 2014, 04:45:49 am »
Why doesn't America just take over the whole UK for that matter. Imagine the Kop singing this:


Well it's not like the clubs anthem is a show tune from an American musical. ;)
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Re: 2013 Red Sox vs 2013-14 Liverpool
« Reply #27 on: April 4, 2014, 12:59:44 pm »
Them yanks aren't so bad then, at least the Boston ones

We (Boston) hate the Yanks too, just not the kind you're thinking of.